Where's The Trolley - Part 2

[TManz]

Here's a car signed for Delaware Ave. (on the rear). Is it then northbound? But where?? I have my thoughts, but would first like to hear from our distinguished panel of experts.

[just1paul]

If that was a MILLER Saloon I could probably nail it for you. But I am wracking my brain right now. If there is no answer by Saturday I will look up the druggists at the library.

[TManz]

Here's one clue that may not be apparent from the photo: There are tracks in the street just beyond the front of the car that curve onto the cross street (another car line), and also appear to continue straight ahead.

Also, think about the street that was the opposite end of the Delaware car line.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[just1paul]

Here's one clue that may not be apparent from the photo: There are tracks in the street just beyond the front of the car that curve onto the cross street (another car line), and also appear to continue straight ahead.

Also, think about the street that was the opposite end of the Delaware car line.

Happy Thanksgiving!

According to a 1930 map, the 15 ended at Bradley Road at the Fox Point Country Club.

My first guess is that this was near KK and Pryor.

[TManz]

When I first obtained this photo, the location had a slightly familiar look to it. I always thought it might be N. Oakland Avenue at E. Locust Street, looking north.

[just1paul]

Well I never made it to the Library to check out the druggists. You say you though Oakland and Locust? Then The Schlitz place would be where the gyro place is and the druggist is now a parking lot.

[TManz]

IF I'm correct about it being Oakland & Locust (a BIG if), there was a delicatessen (name?) on the NW corner when I attended Riverside HS, c. 1964-5. That building was later torn down to provide parking for the adjacent grocery store (name?).

[Yance]

It doesn't really match Oakland and Locust - the buildings don't match. For reference, this is a map of the line from 1904:

[Yance]

I took the easy way out and looked up the Schmitt and Traudt pharmacy in the 1910 directory. They had an address of 416 E North Ave. Then I remembered this photo I had of that intersection which clearly shows the building on the left side of the original picture. The view of the photo above is then looking east at the intersection of Murray and E. North. It doesn't explain why the car is actually on North Avenue when it should be continuing on Farwell unless there was construction on Farwell and this was a detour.

[just1paul]

I took the easy way out and looked up the Schmitt and Traudt pharmacy in the 1910 directory. They had an address of 416 E North Ave. Then I remembered this photo I had of that intersection which clearly shows the building on the left side of the original picture. The view of the photo above is then looking east at the intersection of Murray and E. North. It doesn't explain why the car is actually on North Avenue when it should be continuing on Farwell unless there was construction on Farwell and this was a detour.

Where was the Farwell car barn? Could this car be coming out of the barn and going to Murray from there?

[Markitect]

Just some more info...

I believe the photo can be dated between 1902 (when the route's name was changed from "Oakland-Russell" to "Oakland-Delaware") and 1912 (when Car 224 was converted into a trailer by having its motors and controls removed).

As for why the car is photographed on a street that doesn't correspond with the route for which the car is signed, it could be a detour, but I've also seen it happen with staged/posed company photos, especially on streets near the shops and car stations.

In this very early era, TMER&L's Farwell Avenue Car Station was on the south corner of Farwell and Ivanhoe (where the Oriental Theater stands today)...just off the right edge of the original photo. I'll bet the motorman and conductor were posing with their car for a company photo on North Avenue, having pulled it from the nearby storage yard or carbarn.


Farwell Avenue Car Station, on south corner Farwell/Ivanhoe:
First = 1887 - 1907 (destroyed by fire)
Second = 1907 (rebuilt) - 1917 (replaced by new Oakland Car Station, Oakland/Edgewood)

Farwell Avenue Loop & Terminal Shed, on Murray Street: 1933 - 1953

[TManz]

I took the easy way out and looked up the Schmitt and Traudt pharmacy in the 1910 directory. They had an address of 416 E North Ave. Then I remembered this photo I had of that intersection which clearly shows the building on the left side of the original picture. The view of the photo above is then looking east at the intersection of Murray and E. North...

So the Schlitz saloon on the left in the original photo became the Six Points Pharmacy in later years? It all seems to fit. Many streetcar photos are posed within a block or so of a car station, so this crew may have been just pulling in from a run.

[TManz]

It doesn't really match Oakland and Locust - the buildings don't match...

Hey, I thought Google discontinued that Street View feature. Anyway, the Subway used to be a George Webb, and that Chinese grocery was...what? Still a grocery, but what name?

When driving cab (c. 1974), one night I picked up 2 guys at that GW who later robbed me around 11th & Burleigh.

[marycatherine]

Love the Delaware/Oakland Trolley map. It prompted me to make further inquiry on the end-of-the-line: Mineral Spring Park.

H. Russell Zimmermann shares a bit of background on the current Hubbard Park in the Milwaukee Journal - Dec 1975.

Has anyone checked out the new incarnation of fish fry at the Hubbard Park Lodge?

Also, the Hubbard Park facility is one of the very few extant lodges from the WPA:

Hubbard Lodge was one of 13 identical structures built across the United States during this era, and it is one of only two left standing (the other houses the United States Department of Agriculture’s research station outside Washington, D.C.)

Over the years, Hubbard Park Lodge became a place where memories were made at dances, teas and other special events. In the 1940s on Friday nights, young people would pay 50 cents to $1 to dance to the music of red-haired DJ Pinky Mueller and his timeless collection of 78s. The rhythmic strains of such tunes as “In the Mood,” “Dipsy Doodle” and “Stardust” filled the Lodge and flowed out to fill the park with happy sounds. Just to the north and on the west of the Lodge, a spring cascaded under an arched wooden bridge to meet the river. Lifelong Shorewood resident Dorothy Hoffmann remembers the Lodge in all its grandeur. “We loved the music drifting out of the Lodge as we hung out down by the bridge,” Dorothy recalls. - from Shorewood Business Improvement District

[TManz]

My wife and I held our wedding reception at Hubbard Park Lodge